Longtime Canterbury and All Blacks coach Aussie McLean sits down with Bruce McLane to discuss what he's seen over the decades.

He talks about Carwyn James surprising the All Blacks with new defensive schemes. He talks about specific positions and what makes a good player become great. He talks about great players, and what pushed them over the edge even if they weren't perfect.

McLean has worked with some of the luminaries of the sport, and helped all of them along the way. It's a must-listen.

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