All-time USA great Gary Lambert sits down with Bruce McLane in this latest RuggaMatrix America podcast.

Lambert, who played 21 times for the USA (back when five test matches was a really busy year), shares his views on the 1987 World Cup, playing for a World XV, and the value of touring.

He touches on what we gained and what we lost with the most to professionalism in the 1990s, and looks at where the current national team is.

But more than that, this is about rugby's life lessons, and family.

It's insightful, raw, poignant, and worth a listen.